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Title: Religion and your Rights Post by Steve_McGrath on 06/09/07 at 22:05:11
Look at this, it explains a lot about why the Irish Hate the English and Protestants. and why the Scotts would also really dislike them.
"And be it further Enacted, That from and after the passing of this Act, no Oath or Oaths shall be tendered to, or required to be taken by His Majesty’s subjects, professing the Roman Catholic religion, for enabling them to hold or enjoy any real or personal property, other than such as may by law be tendered to and required to be taken by His Majesty’s other subjects..." {http://multitext.ucc.ie/d/The_Emancipation_Bill} this is from the Catholic Emancipation Bill of 1829. the rights that are granted in it imply the heck out of the notion that they were withheld before, in Scottland and Ireland. What think you? I'd say it explains a whole huge part of why there were more Scotts Catholics Fighting the English and Parliment than English, protestant wealthy Jacobites. we Catholics have nothing to loose, including Personal Property!! |
Title: Re: Religion and your Rights Post by Tod on 06/11/07 at 06:42:35
I think you are going into an area of dangerous politics, and that this isn't the place for that type of discussion.
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Title: Re: Religion and your Rights Post by neil on 06/11/07 at 08:17:15
I agree with Tod.
Stay well out of that quagmire especially in the history of Scotland and Ireland. Everyone has regrettable instances in their country's history that aren't too savoury including slavery, serfdom and persecution of religious minorities including many examples after the date this Bill was passed in the UK parliament. In actual fact in numbers most Scottish Jacobites were actually non-jurant Episcopalians with Catholics next and a small number of Presbyterians. Cheers Neil Garg'n Uair Dhuisgear |
Title: Re: Religion and your Rights Post by Vicar Wm Gray Beard Abernethy on 06/11/07 at 08:19:21
Steve,
I would agree with Tod that this forum is not the place for bringing historical wrongs or prejudices into the present day ("we Catholics"). A discussion of the wrongs and prejudices on both sides (i.e. Catholic and Cromwellian) in the historical context is fine, as long as we don't get bellicose or belligerent with our statements, or spark hostility from other forum contributors. Understanding what lead to the Catholic Emancipation Bill of 1829 and its implications is an interesting study in the history of the British Isles, and worthy of discussion on this forum insofar as what the prevailing attitudes were in Scotland, England and Ireland at the time HRH Prince Charles landed at Glenfinnan and rallied the Highland clans in the '45 Rising. Anything beyond that, we may have to hang you again, Steve! ;D |
Title: Re: Religion and your Rights Post by Steve_McGrath on 06/11/07 at 08:45:12
Understood, Gentlemen.
I really brought this up because I had run into it in passing in a Humanities Class I was taking last semmester, then I went back to it recently to look it over. I found it interesting because I knew the Conflict in Ireland over Religion, and the one in Scotland, were not really Eccumenical in nature, yet no one I talked to could clearly say what the roots of it were. and I agree with you Vicar, there is no room to discuss only one side of the issue, because the Catholics in Ireland are just as guilty of atrocities as anyone else (Black Hand Gangs, assinations, bombings, the list goes on and on, sadly) including Cromwell. I really think the biggest sin on all sides of the issue is never letting it go. However, I think this issue would explain a lot about attitudes of the time. my understanding is that HRH intended on repealing many of these restrictions, as he was a Catholic himself. |
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