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Bagpiping the 45' (Read 34280 times)
10/03/03 at 01:09:43
Owan Munro   Guest

 
Oh yes the sounds of the pipes, there's no escape is there, nor in my case would I want there to be.  Those that do not know me I'm the piper of the MacDonalds of Clan Ranald. 

My question is for those listeners out there what kind of Bagpipe music do you enjoy listening to the most?

There is always the normal marching tunes and battle claymore tunes to be played, and yes every tune has it's place.  But what do you feel is the most important?

Being a re-enactor and a big piping enthusiast I've fallen in love with both listening and playing the ceol mor, the piobaireachd or the great music of the highland pipes.  These tunes can reach anywhere from 4-5 minutes in length to a full half hour or more for just one tune.  They are very challenging to the player and all of them have a very big meaning in the heritage of what we do.

But for the modern ear are they just TOO much?

In the Princes landing and special occasions during mainly the Culloden event's that I've attended I've played piobaireachd tunes that to me in full length seem very long, and have cut for those times the middle chunk out so that it doesn't seem quite so labored.

But now on to ceol beg, or the light music.  Which are all those marchers jigs strathspeys reels hornpipes and what not, down from the slow air to the fastest jig.  Those tunes are way too often too short LOL.

So what does one like to hear played the up most, long classical tunes or a fast beat one.  Since once the pipes get going it can be a hard thing to stop LOL.

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Reply #1 - 10/03/03 at 21:34:05

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Personally, I like pibroch, but not in a long dose of half-an-hour!  5-10 minutes is just fine.
The other tunes, though, are more stirring and inspire people to fling, sword dance, and what not.  Much more fun...!
 

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Reply #2 - 10/03/03 at 22:22:09

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Strange, the only type of pipe music I find interesting is piobaireachd...I think it's because my first BA was in music and I actually like theme and variation pieces that go on for hours...I like listening and mentally dissecting the form and thematic development (my idea of a good time).

Then again, I'm also nuts about Handelian opera, so my opinion should be taken with a grain of salt   Wink
 
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Reply #3 - 10/04/03 at 02:11:44

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Personally, I prefer my 'pipes played fast... Pibroch ('scuze the Sassenach spelling) seems to be an acquired taste, even for folks who like the GHB. Although I do occasionally listen to Pibroch, and the more I hear, the more I appreciate it. In fact, some of it is quite stirring, haunting... try listening to "A Flame of Wrath for Squinting Patrick" alone, in the dark, and see if the hair on yer back doesn't stand up...

Still, a fast reel on the GHB just gets me moving... they don't call it the "original rock 'n roll instrument" for nothing....
 
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Reply #4 - 10/14/03 at 12:42:01

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...Of course, should are modern taste be a primary concern regarding this? If piobaireachd is the fashion of the day for the pipes, then that is what ought be played, rather than playing to modern sensibilities. (the again, I come from the school of thought that it's good to occassionaly suffer a little on the order of how our historic counterparts would have suffered, perhaps the great pipes is another part of this theme). Thats my take on it - your mileage might vary.
 
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Reply #5 - 10/15/03 at 03:32:41

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I also am a fan of the faster tunes..not to downplay the emotion of the slower tunes.  I'm not sure if this is considered blasphemy in the piping circles but I really enjoy the versions done by Seven Nations.  A fun blend of rock with some of the classic pipe tunes.  Helps to bring in some of the fringe audience.
 
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Reply #6 - 11/17/03 at 00:04:46
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I too love Seven Nations.  Bands such as those in piping circles do not seem to be taboo.  What does seem to be taboo are bands I also like, such as Dropkick Murphies, a punk band.

Punk style bands are more and more incorperating pipes into their music, which I think that should be encouraged greatly.  But quiet often listening to the music, the exicution gets muddled, and alot of the meaning of the instriment gets lost.

Moral I guess would be keep rocking, bot gaelic, and modern today stuff.  Never to forget oen without the other and of the up most, HAVE FUN with it.

Owan
 
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Reply #7 - 12/05/03 at 21:07:08

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To Owen I am sending you through a piobaireachd with a bit of history the history being it was played before the Massacre of Glencoe as a warning to the McDonalds
the words of the tune indicating blood was to be spilt, the warning was not heeded as we know. There is a stone in Glencoe Scotland called the Henderson stone which lies in a farmers field where the piobaireachd was played from if anyone else wants a copy I'll forward it on to them
 
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Reply #8 - 02/10/04 at 15:59:43
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Okay,

So now I will sway the dissuction to tradition.  Are there any pipers out there that are using all cane reeds on a sheepskin bag?  Or are there any out there who are playing or hae a very old vintage set.  I'm looking to begin restoring old sets.  And as some may or may not know that the key in which the chanter is played in has changed greatly with the current pipe makers of today.  One of the oldest that I've seen being restored is a 1870's set that I would have greatly loved the pleasure in restoring.  Pipes used to be only in the key of A and was some what flat at that, and now there's alot in the key of B now for bands and what not.  I was able to get my hands on a 1920s' chanter made by RG Lawrie and it is phonomial how different even the mellowest chanter I've played that is a recent make.  So are there any out there that are how my uncle grew up with complete tradition in their pipes, or those that think that's how it should be done compared to the advent of synthetic bags/reeds exct.

Owan
 
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Reply #9 - 02/23/04 at 01:49:43
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ok I stubbled upon something a few months back and final got a few cds of Michael Grey from toneczar.com and all I can say is wow.  He's a gold medalist in piobaireachd and he has mixed some fabulous tradtional styles with very modern music.  for those interested you can hear some sound bites off of toneczar where I ordered these cds from.  It's been the first style that I've been able to come across where nothing of the tradition, and exicution get muddled, everthing is very cool and lots of fast stuff as well that I just look at my hands and wonder how every time I listen to them.  A must for those piping enthusiasts to check out.

Owan
 
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Reply #10 - 03/01/04 at 01:23:01

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 Are there any pipers out there that are using all cane reeds on a sheepskin bag?  Or are there any out there who are playing or hae a very old vintage set. Owan

Greetings Owan,
    There are still some pipers about who stay with the old ways of hide bage and cane reeds.  My instructor for one.  I suspect they're in the minority though.  Myself, I have one set with wooden sticks and cane reeds, but a modern bag, and another set with synthetic sticks, chanter and drone reeds, but cane chanter reed and hide bag.  Guess I kind of straddle the issue.
   There's a thread on the Dunsire Bagpiping forums about vintage sets.  Doesn't seem like anyone's playing anything dating much farther back than turn of the century.
   As regards the music.  Ceol mor is the classic music of the pipes, but I suspect that ceol beag has been around just as long.  A lot of pipe tunes have been renamed over the years (e.g. - "wha wouldna' fecht for Charlie" and "wha saw the 42nd"), and a lot of the Burns' songs were reportedly set to older existing tunes.  I also believe that, just as we do today, our piping forbearers "worked out" popular songs on the pipes (those that would fit in the nine note restriction).  After all, the piper's time couldn't have been spent entirely on the battlements playing piobreach'd  to honor his chief.  I have also read somewhere of a music class referred to as "ceol meodanach" (sp?).  My understanding is that it is something more than the marches, jigs, etc.  but less than the "great music".  Possibly some of the longer airs.
   As with most types of music,  generally what I like to hear depends on how well the tune fits the occasion.
 

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Reply #11 - 03/06/04 at 13:45:38

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Rick, you are right, the older traditions of the reeds and bags are in such a minority.  I for one have never even played a cane drone reed, but was on a hide bag for a while and still have a sheep skin that has never even had the holes cut in it yet.  My synthetic reed experience though is pretty broad in usage.  For those reasons at this Mays event in NY I would like to hold a session like we did at last years Culloden where we as pipers get together and with all of our knowledge hack out those pesky factors that in turn can make our soundability even more great.  We had a very good responce last year, and it's something I'd like to host again.  Through the session we should be able to go through reed manipulations both drone and chanter reeds, and just hack out some of the things we as individual players kinda need to.   Which really we only have the time to touch the serface, but hey, it's gonna be a blast doing no matter what, we've got all weekend, and a little piping clinic will do us all good I think.

This is a time where we as pipers learn from eachother about ourselves and our pipes.  So it should be fun and educational Smiley

Owan
 
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Reply #12 - 03/07/04 at 13:44:57

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Owan,
   Sounds like a good time.  I missed the Culloden event last year, but I remember the "massed pipes" at Culloden 2002.  Didn't take part though, as I opted to go throw the caber instead.  We're planning on being at the NY event this year, so I hope to see you there.  This year my son happens to be posted nearby, so he'll probably come up with me, as well as my oldest grandson.  I'll let them "uphold the family honor" on the athletic field, and I'll hang out with the pipers. 
Looking forward to seeing you there
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Reply #13 - 03/31/04 at 23:52:38

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In the next update from HRH there will be info for us pipers attending the NY event.  Not only will there be the gathering of the pipers, but from last year I've gotten so much feed back from the extra piping class we did that we, myself and with the graisous aid of Caleb Gilbert be hosting a pipe maintenance/tuning/pipe manipulation class session on Sat afternoon as we did last year.  I do encourage all pipers to attend.  The update will have all the details on times and lagistics, so stay tuned for that.  The whole purpose for those that don't know is to get all of us pipers together to tackle those pescky problems we all have and with all the years combined of experience we all can contribute to help one another as pipers and friends. So be sure to stay tuned for that.  If there are any questions in the mean time feel free to post anything on your mind.

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Reply #14 - 05/17/04 at 15:20:48

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For all those pipers who came together with me at the Culloden event this year, I wanted to extend my thanks to all.  I enjoyed our sessions and I hope you took as much as I did out of our jam sessions and tunning sessions as I did.  Once again thanks to all  and good playing.  Owan Of Clan Ranald
 
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