Highlanders & Hanoverians - Encampment and everyday life

10/09/03 at 18:04:26

David_White Offline
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I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this question but here goes.

I'd like to see pictures of reenactors camps, group shots etc...

Are there any sites that I can be directed to?

thanks,

dave

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Reply #1 - 10/09/03 at 18:21:53

Steve_S Offline
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There's a few on our site,www.lovat.org.uk/
tho' most of this years have got to be added
Steve

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Reply #2 - 10/09/03 at 20:14:18

Brian Carpenter Offline
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Port Crane, NY

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Click on my unit link below, and go to the "photos" page. Lots of 'em there!

"You will be a brother to pirates and corsairs" -from the Old Charges of Freemasonry

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Reply #3 - 10/10/03 at 19:41:32

David_White Offline
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Steve, Brian-

Thanks for the links to the sites.

dave

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Reply #4 - 10/27/03 at 17:57:25

Brian Carpenter Offline
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Speaking of "encampments and everyday life", there has been occasional criticsism leveled at `45 reenactors (even from within) regarding the type of camps we are setting up at our events. And - truth be told - these are for the most part "heavy" camps: dining flies, awnings, lots of tentage, cots, ironware, etc., etc....
The criticism basically is: Highlanders would not have lived this way on campaign!

What are your thoughts on this issue?

For my part, I'm comfortable with the fact that I'm NOT an actual 18th C. highland clansman; not as tough, not as inured to hardship, not as young anymore, for that matter. Myself and my family require a degree of comfort that those folks of old would have scoffed at. We keep everything period and avoid and abhor blatant "farbisms", but maintain a grasp on reality as well.
I wouldn't mind seeing, however, a "campaigner" or "hardcore" element within our ranks, as we see in present day Amer. Civil War reenacting: young commited guys setting up bare-bones camps that accurately reflect how Jacobite fighting men actually existed in the field. I wouldn't do it myself, but it would add to the events, and be educational for the spectators as well....

"You will be a brother to pirates and corsairs" -from the Old Charges of Freemasonry

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Reply #5 - 10/27/03 at 18:03:54

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Hi Brian,

How many of them would have been billeted though? From the evidence eyewitnesses of Culloden wrote down, they seem to largely have clustered off into cow barns and cottages - billeting is after all the 18th century army 'norm'. Were not some jacobites 'garrisoned' at Ruthven barracks - even after the fire?

Of course we don't have the cow barns and cottages to be billeted in...

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Reply #6 - 10/27/03 at 18:09:09

Brian Carpenter Offline
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Billeting would certainly have been a reality, and indications are that the Jacobite army hauled around the typical 18th c. level of tentage and "impedimenta." But, there would still have been swarms of clansmen laying about simply rolled up in their plaids, too! That's something we don't see at our events....

"You will be a brother to pirates and corsairs" -from the Old Charges of Freemasonry

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Reply #7 - 10/27/03 at 18:26:42

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Hi Brian

Once aga into the Frey of tentage huh...lol Your argument is well founded for your case and you know what I agree but to a certin degree...Example you your self portray a Chief (or a Clan Captain or Cadet I'n sorry im not up on Everyones portrayles another post perhaps we can dig into that) in any case you would have need of tentage that you use...As well as any of the Gent's...But men of the line like my self dont need to huge tentage....im happy with my wedge...and if need be(i have in the past )i rap up in my great Kilt find a tree.. I dont beleive this issue lays in size of tenge but perhaps camps them selves littered with chairs tables ect ect ect ect....this is a big problem in Rev war and a thousand other periods not just this one...So my opinon is just to limmit
such....

A prince can mak a belted knight, &&A marquis, duke, an a' that! &&But an honest man's aboon his might - &&Guid faith, he mauna fa' that! &&For a' that, an a' that, &&Their dignities, an a' that, &&

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Reply #8 - 10/27/03 at 20:48:31

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Billeting would be interesting for an event like Bedford, what say you??

Ted Yeatman

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Reply #9 - 10/27/03 at 21:52:25

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I'm sure the billeting could work at Old Bedford Village..During the Road to London, the Duke (Roger) had several of the cabins used by Gov't forces and the Prince used one also. Our ladies were also in a cabin. Muskets of the Crown does a "candlelight Christmas" at OBV, and we use the cabins for cooking, sleeping, daily vignettes, well..everything. Our unit (www.muskets-of-the-crown.org) uses wedge tents exclusively for soldiers...officers in walls or marquee. We carry a full kitchen with a dining fly and large wedge for storage. At OBV, our first event as Jacobites, as commander I had a wall, I used my 10x14 marquee canopy for fly, and all others were in wedges (ladies in cabin 7). Take a look at our website and there are some shots of our camp that we set up as 77th Reg't of Foote and 42nd RHR. We stay away from all Rendezvous type furniture, etc.
Slante'
Malcolm Angus MacWilliam

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Reply #10 - 10/28/03 at 00:04:48

Brian Carpenter Offline
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Port Crane, NY

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My lads all utilize smallish wedge tents, and my own is merely a bigger wedge tent (when the family is along!), but we do have a rather substantial "dining" area: a couple of period tables, benches, and an awning. Our fine ladies, who prepare us veritable feasts, deserve a comfortable area in which to work and hang out, after all...!

"You will be a brother to pirates and corsairs" -from the Old Charges of Freemasonry

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Reply #11 - 10/28/03 at 00:25:22

collin_king Offline
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another thought

I have gone over this once before in the sword fourm and the jacobite elist...but i will go over once again...Tents flys chairs tables ect ect ect....the public are attacted to...The eat up the whole idea of the camp...Its very inviting to the public to see
everyday things being done in period fashion...How many times have you been asked......Do you really sleep in those...
If you were to do a "progressive camp" I think some thought
should be out into how do we want to present the highlander on campain....personlay i think a progressive camp is a great idea though

A prince can mak a belted knight, &&A marquis, duke, an a' that! &&But an honest man's aboon his might - &&Guid faith, he mauna fa' that! &&For a' that, an a' that, &&Their dignities, an a' that, &&

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Reply #12 - 10/28/03 at 13:59:30

Steve_S Offline
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Luckily enough,we've got a couple of sites that invite us back every year where we can do the billeting thing(one with a nice large barn...)but where all you have got is a field..You've got to have something for the public to look at & we are are there to enjoy ourselves ,which for our poor 21stcent. bodies calls for a certain amount of comfort...having said that we manage with soldiers wedges & a slightly larger one as the Officers' tent

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Reply #13 - 10/28/03 at 18:55:58

Chris Timm Offline
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The idea of some form of 'tactical' or 'minimalist' camp is a good one and has been discused recently. I agree with Brian that the reality of 21st century is people will travel with conveniences. That being said, it might be nice to have an advance camp or group in plaids and no accouterment. As for Old Bedford Village, billeting is possible and can lead to some interesting scenarios. We had two cabins used by the Jacobites, one by myself and another by an Officer of my Life Guards. In the end his wife played the sister of the lady of the home (a site volunteer) and they had some excellent first person interaction going on. That too is something to consider expanding on.
These are both great ideas to consider incorporating into our 2004 programs
Chris

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Reply #14 - 10/28/03 at 22:23:44

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I also think this would be a good idea...in past years our guy Jake has slept out in his plaid from time to time, so I'm pretty sure that he'd be interested in something like this. I'll forward him a link to this thread and see if he expresses any interest.

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