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Reply #30 - 12/01/03 at 20:56:02

Brian Carpenter   Offline
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Prince Michael may or may not be the genuine article, but he sounds like an extremely reasonable man.  A referendum would be the way to go, of course....
We've loved having you guys over to our events, and hope you can come again soon!   And, I hope that we can reciprocate before long and bring a sizable contingent over for a Scotland-based event.  The various groups over there need to plan a major `45 event involving everyone; something that we could shoot for for future planning.
 

"You will be a brother to pirates and corsairs" -from the Old Charges of Freemasonry
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Reply #31 - 12/02/03 at 15:24:00

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Aye Brian would love to come again don't know our plans for next year yet.As for doing something in Scotland that would great the problem with our guys would be convincing them that its re enacting and not the real thing.
 

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Reply #32 - 04/23/04 at 09:09:02

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Mornin' Brian, Alex, Brendan et. all.

Came back here after finding the link in a archived section of my favourites.

Interesting discussion, and here's my perspective as an ex-pat in Shandy-land.

As Bob said, the Stewart's have a far from healthy history with regards to their dealings with Scotland.  Given the opportunity they moved to Westminster, and Charles I made war against us in the 1630's.

During the '45, CES was most motivated by the English throne, and the 1715 rebellion was primarily an English uprising (out maneuvered by Marlborough). 

The fact that James II gave the throne up without a fight says more about him than anything else.  Why fight for someone who won't fight for themselves.

If the Stewarts had regained the throne, I think they would have turned their backs on Scotland as they had done previously (although we may have been spared the tartanalia epidemic kicked off by the Victorians)
The Stewarts were as English as they were Scots, and they looked on the Scots crown as "second best".

But if we want a Scottish monarch, of Scots stock, and not a bloody Norman white settler, my vote goes to Alexander Robertson, 23rd chief of the clan Donnachaidh, and heir of King Malcolm II (reigned from 1005 to 1034) who was also the last direct king from Kenneth MacAlpine, who united the Scots and Picts in 843 A.D.

And let us also remember that we should always address Lizzie and Queen Elizabeth the First  Shocked)

Just my thoughts.

Happy day,
Andy
 
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Reply #33 - 04/23/04 at 20:31:19

Brian Carpenter   Offline
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Hear! Hear!  And welcome aboard, Andy...!
 

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Reply #34 - 04/24/04 at 16:53:12

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Aye Andy the twists and turns of history,the Stewarts were a hopeless lot and the person I've heard giving them the hardest time is Prince Michael.And I have to agree Charles Edward was in to much of a rush to get into England when a bit of patience may have paid dividends and I'm sure many of the ordinary men  would have thought their job was done, they had won Scotland.
As for Lizzie to me she is just an old woman who in reality should be living out her old age shopping in down town Hannover or wherever.
And if that programme that was shown a few months ago which traced the real English monarch to Australia was correct  the Stewarts would never of had a claim to the English throne at all,then again if only the Bruce  line had had more sons ,och we could go on for ever.
 

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Reply #35 - 12/10/04 at 11:26:48
Henrik Bjoern Boegh   Guest

 
Hi fellow jacobites!

Here's a link that shows the jacobite line from James VI of Scotland & I of England, all the way to "Francis II" of Bavaria.
http://www.jacobite.ca/

Cheers,
Henrik
 
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Reply #36 - 09/20/05 at 13:27:38
Bill Jeffery   Guest

 
Just a thought, now that my friend Brian has opened the worm can. 
My read of history is that the Stuart dynasty was one of the worst enemies that the Highland clans had (no offense, Alex).  James I started the original clearances, the Stuarts spent most of their time in London becoming more and more continental and less and less Scottish, visiting Scotland seldom if ever. 
And the reason for the final military defeat, breakup and clearance of the Highland clans was the headstrong decisions made by Charles Edward Stuart, from arriving at Glenfinnan without necessary French troops and arms as required for the support of the Highland Chiefs, invading England against the better judgement of his Highland officers,  and listening to an Irishman that he should forget about the phenomenally successful Highland Charge and fight the Battle of Culloden on a moor (no offense, Chris).  Why would Scots, especially those of Highland ancestry, ever want a return of the house of Stuart to the throne of Scotland?  The only thing they had in common with Highland Scots was the Catholic faith.
Personally, I would love to see Scotland free and independent, with a modern day adaptation of the simplest and most democratic system of government the world has ever seen, the clan system.  Now wouldn't that be wonderful?
 
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Reply #37 - 09/13/06 at 12:50:10

Brian Carpenter   Offline
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Resurrecting an old thread....

I understand that "Prince" Michael (Michel LaFosse) has finally been exposed as an utter fraud, and has decamped to the Continent, much in the manner of his Jacobite non-ancestors of old:

http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=17431698&method=full&siteid=64736&headline=fake-king-of-scots-flees-to-belgium--name_page.html





 

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Reply #38 - 09/13/06 at 16:08:07

Henrik_B._Boegh   Offline
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Not surprising, I think. I really didn't think he had any credibility... I don't wish to piss any one off, so please don't try giving me a close shave with a broadsword for my statement!

Cheers,
Henrik
 

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Reply #39 - 09/14/06 at 07:37:15

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Quote:
Here's a link that shows the jacobite line from James VI of Scotland & I of England, all the way to "Francis II" of Bavaria.


On the same lines as Henrik, here is another link you may find of interest.
http://www.defendersofscotland.org/
 

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Reply #40 - 09/14/06 at 20:56:09

Henrik_B._Boegh   Offline
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Interesting, Lee! I have a hard time accepting that OLR is a non-political organisation, since there are so many political matters that are referred to in their tenents Cheesy
I'll read a bit more thoroughly through it later. Tomorrow I'll have a 5 hour drive to my sisters farm, and on saturday I'll be up in the Norwegian highlands herding sheep! It'll be great! And a perfect opportunity to bear and wear my new dirk! (I'll also wear the betlet plaid, of course, and a blue bonnet with a white cokade!)

Cheers,
Henrik
 

God save King James VIII!&&&&Constant and True.
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Reply #41 - 09/15/06 at 04:50:28

Lee   Offline
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Henrik,

Aye, I thought the same thing. It will be hard to be non-political with so many political points in the agenda.
However, I am a sucker for a rebel cause (I think that's why I never stuck it out in the Royal Military Police Grin) and I am tempted...very tempted!
 

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Reply #42 - 09/22/06 at 13:21:25

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Aye,the  wee man has done a runner as we say here in Scotland.Questions were being asked by many and I made contact with a church in Rome with interesting results.
For what its worth I liked him and he caused mischief amongst the  establishment here,but thats the way it goes so its back to being a republican Jacobite.
 

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Reply #43 - 11/17/06 at 23:15:31

Jacobite   Offline
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And if any of you guys need a band  www.thetrybe.org all we need is air fares and a place to sleep, Jacobite songs for sure.
 

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